Programming courses

[Vitrex]

hello, emudevs, today i'm with some off topic questions, the ting is on Wednesday or Thursday it was i don't remember right i found vacancy for a front-end website developer position, the thing that company don't "hire" people, they just teaching them and giving the diploma (i think it calls like that) but in easier way specialist certificate and garantine you a job after you finish those courses, of course it costs some money 2grands - 2.000 pounds.(3 if i take it like a loan) i can take that as a loan for a 3-4years and pay monthly.i'll add the link for PDF i got in email from them :

[URL]http://thetrainingroom.com/files/webdev/CourseOutline.pdf[/URL]

So, i have question what you think about this offer?
because well, they offer specialist serts for a most popular atm web development languages HTML5 CSS3 & JAVASCRIPT i tink those 2 is really handy to have isn't it?
+ they give you internet business & network technology diploma in advance, so well if you don't get job from them just in case you have some papers that are handy these days to get good paid job. The key thing, that courses length is 6 months BUT i told that i have some experience already with programming languages, he asked me few questions and told that i'll be able finish courses in 2 months maximum.

But again, the price is 2 grands and that is not money you can find on a street, ofc i have money but i don't wanna waste them. So if sum up everything i said, i get 3 specialist certificates + guaranteed job after courses at least for 1 year (they give some insurance for that how i understand). so i can pay that loan faster , but still it's money. what do you guys think if i accept this offer i win more than i lose, or i lose more than i win?


I really appreciate all answers .
best regards, Vitrex

 

[Tommy]

hello, emudevs, today i'm with some off topic questions, the ting is on Wednesday or Thursday it was i don't remember right i found vacancy for a front-end website developer position, the thing that company don't "hire" people, they just teaching them and giving the diploma (i think it calls like that) but in easier way specialist certificate and garantine you a job after you finish those courses, of course it costs some money 2grands - 2.000 pounds.(3 if i take it like a loan) i can take that as a loan for a 3-4years and pay monthly.i'll add the link for PDF i got in email from them :

[URL]http://thetrainingroom.com/files/webdev/CourseOutline.pdf[/URL]

So, i have question what you think about this offer?
because well, they offer specialist serts for a most popular atm web development languages HTML5 CSS3 & JAVASCRIPT i tink those 2 is really handy to have isn't it?
+ they give you internet business & network technology diploma in advance, so well if you don't get job from them just in case you have some papers that are handy these days to get good paid job. The key thing, that courses length is 6 months BUT i told that i have some experience already with programming languages, he asked me few questions and told that i'll be able finish courses in 2 months maximum.

But again, the price is 2 grands and that is not money you can find on a street, ofc i have money but i don't wanna waste them. So if sum up everything i said, i get 3 specialist certificates + guaranteed job after courses at least for 1 year (they give some insurance for that how i understand). so i can pay that loan faster , but still it's money. what do you guys think if i accept this offer i win more than i lose, or i lose more than i win?

I really appreciate all answers .
best regards, Vitrex

Not sure. I never heard of them, though, I don't search for things like this. I use http://udemy.com that GuacSenpai linked awhile back to me. Not sure if there's a diaploma in it, but the courses are pretty awesome. They have courses you can pay for to take - there's even free courses too. Before you make a radical decision I would expand, look at other and maybe better options than what that thetrainingroom can offer.

 

[Vitrex]

yeah i know the udemy, but thing that they offer diploma even 3 + full time job from home after you finish. so how i said, you have some papers after that you can use. to get employed in other place/country. but if you finish courses in udemy or place similar to that you have the experience only. so not all employers look only to your exp they ask for some papers as well at least in this UK side where i live right now.

I checked the prices only to get certificates from w3schools it would cost me 95$ for each certification except that CIW internet business and network technology, but there is no guaranties that i'll pass them 100% cuz i really lack of theory, i have few years of experience but you see the theory is different thing. and there is always things you didn't knew and stuff to learn.

 

[FoxGaming]

What's your current education like? If you have no other certifications then obviously getting certified can be a big step. I can tell you right now though that my current company wouldn't hire anyone that doesn't have a Bachelors in Comp Sci or better. I don't know if I would ever pay for HTML, CSS3, and JavaScript because they're all languages/whatever you want to call them that can be mastered without instruction. There's some money to be made in contract work, but the real money in software isn't in contracted work (i.e. Building websites for companies/individuals).

 

[Vitrex]

True. well maybe old HTML is not language, but new HTLM5 is really impressive thing, but back OT.
My education right now is just secondary school (12 grades in my country) in england it counts i think secondary school , without any qualification well i have one but not programming one. so i dunno. that of course not PHP courses, but if i connect these 3 + zend php certificate i think i can make good combo, and get even more jobs as a freelancer cuz i can prove my skills?

 

[GuacSenpai]

Hi,

So I'm an actual CS student with some knowledge on this topic.

The problem with companies like this is that 99% of them are akin to a waste of money. They teach you current technology, but honestly that's pointless if all you learn how to do is work with a specific technology especially in web development where the popular choice changes every 2-3 hears and everyone has to relearn things.

Things like HTML and CSS you can learn on your own time and honestly aren't a highly seemed position in companies. Companies are looking for full stack developers who can work from the front to the back and get the job done.

The other thing is that most companies won't even look at those certificates you might have earned. It's nothing compared to a university degree or real world experience.

There is some coding bootcamps that are basically the price of a car and you spend 3 months learning, again not a good learning experience imo and they help you find a job but the companies that are willing to take people like that usually suck.

There's only one website with pretty legitimate courses and what they call "nanodegrees". It's udacity.com and if you have the cash then that's what I would go through.

FYI, any web dev worth their salt would laugh at anything you say related to w3school

 

[Kaev]

Hi,

So I'm an actual CS student with some knowledge on this topic.

The problem with companies like this is that 99% of them are akin to a waste of money. They teach you current technology, but honestly that's pointless if all you learn how to do is work with a specific technology especially in web development where the popular choice changes every 2-3 hears and everyone has to relearn things.

Things like HTML and CSS you can learn on your own time and honestly aren't a highly seemed position in companies. Companies are looking for full stack developers who can work from the front to the back and get the job done.

The other thing is that most companies won't even look at those certificates you might have earned. It's nothing compared to a university degree or real world experience.

There is some coding bootcamps that are basically the price of a car and you spend 3 months learning, again not a good learning experience imo and they help you find a job but the companies that are willing to take people like that usually suck.

There's only one website with pretty legitimate courses and what they call "nanodegrees". It's udacity.com and if you have the cash then that's what I would go through.

FYI, any web dev worth their salt would laugh at anything you say related to w3school

+1

HTML5, CSS and JavaScript aren't that hard to learn. Learn it in your free time.

 

[Vitrex]

yeah ineed about those languages, but well doesn't finishing them like that (courses) i have a chance to get a programming job atleast for a front-end? cuz NOW no employers accept my applications they ask for prove my skills in other way papers, but these courses gives me papers i need and one year job insurance... i think few of you misunderstood the meaning of them.
But well if you say so... added a poll.
p.s they guarantee me a job from home, and i was curious i searched for any web developer job in radius of 20 miles, but there is noone recruiting so maybe it's really good step to take and finish this courses ? cuz well, i have few years experience with HTML, CSS3 not quite sure about HTML5 but i think it's same shit as HTML but more features and javascript basics, BUT if i stack everything with my few years learning php and back end work experience in one company, after these courses i think i can stack everything i have and get normal job with all included from front-back end web construction.

 

[Vitrex]

[MENTION=605]GuacSenpai[/MENTION] i checked the courses from that site, but honestly they teach things i knew few years ago already. i mean the website you have to build in full stack website developer course is simple. i mean well only maybe own game API sounds more complicated but other ones looks really easy. :/ How i said i have real world experience but lack of theory at some points so idk what to choose now....

 

[GuacSenpai]

[MENTION=605]GuacSenpai[/MENTION] i checked the courses from that site, but honestly they teach things i knew few years ago already. i mean the website you have to build in full stack website developer course is simple. i mean well only maybe own game API sounds more complicated but other ones looks really easy. :/ How i said i have real world experience but lack of theory at some points so idk what to choose now....

If you know how to do it, then build it. But if you can't even build an API i wouldn't hire you. If that course is too easy, they have a senior web developer course. Sit down and see what you can do without the help of google. Udacity also offers a 1 or 2 week free trial and you can see if its worth it.

Employers will generally accept experience in lieu of a degree. Actually 2 of 3 developers that use Stack Overflow are self taught. If you want to be a web developer, you need to be full stack. You need to sit there and know the most common languages in the business world right now and the frameworks that follow them.

As a web developer I would pick out a stack that you like most and a few additional items and continually expand on them. This is not a job where you learn it once and you're done, it's a job where you're forced to learn something new everyday. There is django, php, ruby on rails, flask, and then the never ending amount of frameworks, addons, or plugins that go along with them. Then you have stuff like angularjs, nodejs, etc.

Learn your languages, build a diverse portfolio on github, apply around and good luck. But just simply saying that you know them doesn't mean you do and no one would believe you.

Some other important things that can help your job search:

• Have a blog about the problems you faced while working on a project and document how you overcame them (Hiring managers will likely ask you about this in an interview anyway)
• Networking events with people in the same field
• You may consider paying someone to help you build your CV/Resume. A lot of people are just really bad at it and wouldn't get a second glance.
• Practice. A lot.